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Post by Brady Brown on Nov 12, 2014 16:19:28 GMT -6
First look of Katie Cassidy (Laurel Lance) as BLACK CANARY! Thoughts?
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Nov 20, 2014 16:35:50 GMT -6
Post by Jack Malone on Nov 20, 2014 16:35:50 GMT -6
So apparently Sara's killer is revealed in the next two episodes of "Arrow" and I still have no clue as to who it will be. On another note, this season has been pretty damn awesome despite the incredibly fan-servicey development and progression of a certain ship that has become ridiculously difficult to watch. *coughOLICITYcough*
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Nov 24, 2014 12:14:59 GMT -6
Post by Brady Brown on Nov 24, 2014 12:14:59 GMT -6
I'm still petitioning for Laurel, Thea, Felicity, Lyla, and Nyssa to team up and destroy Oliver. HAHAHAHA.
But in all seriousness, I'm really growing tired of what they're doing with Oliver's character. They're making him out to be a hypocrite with scorning those he believe have killed people, and the way he treats Laurel still angers me. Also, Diggle really frustrated me this past episode, gettin' all up in Felicity's business. Honestly, that was just ridiculous.
ALSO, CARRIE CUTTER IS FANTASTIC AND SHE NEEDS TO COME BACK.
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Nov 24, 2014 13:29:14 GMT -6
Post by Alex Matthews on Nov 24, 2014 13:29:14 GMT -6
OMG, Katie Cassidy looks AWESOMEBALLS in that picture!! It took them 2 and half years, but FINALLY!! On that note, I am finally watching Season 2 after some initial setbacks, so undoubtedly I will come to ADORE Sara despite knowing she's already dead
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Dec 21, 2014 20:12:20 GMT -6
Post by Brady Brown on Dec 21, 2014 20:12:20 GMT -6
In reply to Karl (DO NOT OPEN IF YOU HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP ON ARROW, OBVIOUSLY): Regarding the next run of episodes, they have revealed that they will focus on Laurel and her evolution into donning the costume and taking the name The Black Canary. Oliver is rumored to have no involvement in these next three episodes, and if he does it will probably be very little.
Also, a lot of people are saying Malcolm will find Oliver on the mountain and somehow throw him in the Lazarus Pit. But who knows!
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Dec 21, 2014 21:11:53 GMT -6
Post by Jack Malone on Dec 21, 2014 21:11:53 GMT -6
In reply to Karl (DO NOT OPEN IF YOU HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP ON ARROW, OBVIOUSLY): Regarding the next run of episodes, they have revealed that they will focus on Laurel and her evolution into donning the costume and taking the name The Black Canary. Oliver is rumored to have no involvement in these next three episodes, and if he does it will probably be very little.
Also, a lot of people are saying Malcolm will find Oliver on the mountain and somehow throw him in the Lazarus Pit. But who knows!
One of the things they've said is that Oliver will feature in the flashback part of the story, and Stephen has confirmed that he is in every episode of the season and so we'll still see developments there. I think he'll be back for "Canaries." But yeah, this next arc is definitely going to feature lots of Laurel, and lots of Team Arrow without The Arrow. I think we'll also be getting a lot of Ray Palmer too, now that he seems to be coming into his own as "Atom" just as Arrow is gone. I don't think it was an accident they saved that for the same episode that Oliver is killed and won't be coming back (anytime soon) you know? So we'll see.
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Dec 22, 2014 1:50:43 GMT -6
Post by Matthew James on Dec 22, 2014 1:50:43 GMT -6
Here is what I think could maybe, meh..: So as mentioned everyone seems to think it's going to have something to do with the Malcolm Merlyn and the Lazarus pit, which seems to be logical..
Everyone also seems to think that Laurel will get more screen time until Oliver's return, but producers have revealed that the show will be revolved more around Roy and his taking command of team Arrow and his struggle with leadership.
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Dec 22, 2014 20:08:03 GMT -6
Post by Jack Malone on Dec 22, 2014 20:08:03 GMT -6
Here is what I think could maybe, meh..: So as mentioned everyone seems to think it's going to have something to do with the Malcolm Merlyn and the Lazarus pit, which seems to be logical..
Everyone also seems to think that Laurel will get more screen time until Oliver's return, but producers have revealed that the show will be revolved more around Roy and his taking command of team Arrow and his struggle with leadership. I don't think Roy is in any position to lead. Marc Guggenheim just said that its not Laurel-centric in the sense that no one else will be featured or focused on and that there is a lot of Team Arrow and Roy stuff involved, citing that Colton Haynes has some of his biggest moments in this next run. They released pictures of Roy and Laurel in costume together which I thought was cool so there could be a team up involved there. But I don't see Roy ordering Diggle and Felicity around. I think out of the three, Roy will be wanting to keep the mission alive more. Diggle could turn to his family, and Felicity has Ray. It's exciting, though, just trying to think what's going to happen now that Oliver is "dead".
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Jan 4, 2015 22:53:46 GMT -6
Post by Matthew James on Jan 4, 2015 22:53:46 GMT -6
They put up the official synopsis for Arrow's first episode back. It looked really good, it seems like Roy and Diggle will be working together to keep team Arrow alive, that Laurel will take up her Canary mantle, I think they're just gonna call her Canary, the way the way they just call Oliver the Arrow, leaving out the Green and Black. Also It seems like Colin Donnell will be back, and not just in flashbacks, I have a feeling that his return is part of why Malcolm sent Oliver to "try" and kill Ra's Al Ghul, probably knowing he would fail. I think it's gonna be a two for one sort of thing. But you never know, I'm just glad will get to see him again.
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Post by Brady Brown on Feb 6, 2015 20:48:15 GMT -6
Pretty late, but: FIRST LOOK AT RAY PALMER'S ATOM SUIT!
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Post by Jamison on Feb 6, 2015 20:50:16 GMT -6
Badass! Can't wait to see him in action.
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Feb 10, 2015 9:17:40 GMT -6
Post by Jack Malone on Feb 10, 2015 9:17:40 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to "The Atom." I think seeing him in action will determine whether or not I'm interested in a spin-off for the character. I love Ray Palmer, and I've loved the new energy he's brought to this season but whether I'm interested in seeing him in his own show with his own cast of characters... I dunno yet. Jury is still out on that one.
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Post by Alex Matthews on Mar 1, 2015 13:48:12 GMT -6
I'm sorry to say, although I really DO love "Arrow" and the concept of exploring Ollie, Laurel, Roy and the other characters, the last episode really ruined it for me. The idea that Ra's now wants Ollie to succeed him is SUCH a blatant rip off of the Bat mythos, it had me really angry and frustrated at what the writers are doing with the show. In the comics, Ra's felt that Bruce/Batman was the natural choice to replace him, even if they were opposed in such a fundamentally moral way - I know Ollie has had a few run ins with the League, but never to that kind of level. When I look at Nyssa, all I see is a thinly disguised Talia in her stead - she exhibits all of Talia's usual traits, such as her fighting skill, and her loyalty to her father, but I guess either the producers/writers felt that using Talia would be too much of a Batman link, or maybe she was embargoed. Speaking of embargoes, I heard/read somewhere that the reason they used Ray Palmer was that they weren't allowed to use their original choice of Ted Kord, aka "Blue Beetle", and given the current direction of the 'exosuit' arc, I think they're doing a disservice to Ray. Brandon is doing a great job, his chemistry with Felicity is so cute and charming (and one of the things I DID enjoy about "Nanda Parbat", and they did make a mention of 'dwarf star material', but come on, the exosuit can FLY?! That's NOT what the Atom is all about at all! I was also really liking the development of Thea this season, she really got to kick some ass, and being with Malcolm was making her stronger, but now, they suddenly seemed to have turned it on it's head. I thought that maybe they were going to push Thea in such a way it would eventually be her versus Ollie, as Malcolm carefully deconstructed her life until he was all she had, but instead he's pushed her back to Ollie, their relationship stronger then ever, and Malcolm is once again alone and isolated. The problem with that is that it makes her all whiney and moany again, which is a Thea that nobody really likes.
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Mar 1, 2015 14:12:31 GMT -6
Post by Brady Brown on Mar 1, 2015 14:12:31 GMT -6
I've got to disagree with you, Alex, particularly on the points you've made on Thea.
It's, in my opinion, a nice contrast to see Thea willingly accept Oliver as the Arrow, and her able to realize why he was so secretive to her all of this time. I don't see how it could've been her versus Oliver when Thea, as a character, has never wanted to harm anyone - only wanting the ability to protect herself so that she won't be hurt the way she was last season. Quite frankly, Malcolm deserves to be isolated again, and it's honestly his own fault. His character is so manipulative and vile and it's the things he's done that forced him to become isolated. Not to say that's necessarily a bad thing because every show needs an antagonist, obviously. But he drugged Thea, and forced her to kill someone she considered a friend, and thenlied to her about it! And she's not expected to react in a way that constitutes emotions and sadness? I don't see it as being "whiney" and "moany," I see it as a natural character progression, which forces her away from Malcolm Merlyn because she finally realizes what type of monster he is. In fact, her blatantly standing up to Malcolm and telling him that she will work with him, but she will never be his daughter again, shows a type of strength that Thea has gained because she is growing and developing as a character. She grew to trust this man, to be the only man that she can trust, and to have all that stripped away after she constantly defended him would be tremendously devastating on anyone. In my opinion, Thea is one of the strongest characters on the show, and to see how she's reacting to things going on around her, including mustering the courage to out right tell Nyssa that she was the one who killed Sara, is great to see because it stays true to her as a character and as a person.
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Mar 1, 2015 18:23:11 GMT -6
Post by Alex Matthews on Mar 1, 2015 18:23:11 GMT -6
You make a fair point, Brady, and I should have clarified that I also did like the fact that instead of being all "I can't believed you lied to me all this time!", Thea willingly accepted Ollie's reasons for keeping his secret from her. I agree that shows she has matured from the somewhat bratty girl she was when the show first started, but what I found annoying was that she spent the first half of the season so strongly defending Malcolm to everyone else and vehemently saying how much he had done for her, only to suddenly switch after a few words from Ollie - at least, that's what it felt like to me. I really felt that this season would ultimately push Thea and Ollie apart - his last spark of hope, as it were, the only biological family he has left (that he's aware of), as Malcolm continued his own selfish manipulation of her. I don't think Malcolm is a monster - yes, he's done truly EVIL things, and his drugging of Thea is on the top of that, but even Ollie doesn't believe he'd sell Thea out - he just felt he had to do use his available pieces and resources to get Ollie into the mix against Ra's. But as I already stated regarding the Ra's storyline, I think that is what is making this season suffer.
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Post by Brady Brown on Mar 1, 2015 18:45:55 GMT -6
I found it natural that she spent so much time defending Malcolm. I mean, he was the only one that she believed had never lied to her. She found trust him he because he saved her and willingly trained her so that she would never have to suffer again. She didn't switch because of what Oliver has said; she began to distrust Malcolm after learning that he knew of Oliver's secret. I'll agree it was a little abrupt, but after having learned of Malcolm's manipulation of her, I find it hard to not call her reactions whiney and moany.
Again, I'll disagree about Malcolm. As a character, his actions are selfish and manipulative. He put his own daughter's safety on the line just so that he could get rid of someone who was hunting him down. He made his daughter a killer, something she never wanted to be, just so that he could walk around with the looming fear of Ra's al Ghul sneaking up behind him, which, to me, constitutes him as a "monster".
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, Alex!
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Mar 1, 2015 22:37:39 GMT -6
Post by Jack Malone on Mar 1, 2015 22:37:39 GMT -6
In regards to "Arrow" taking a lot from the Batman comics, I say: if no one else is going to use the material, then why not use it?
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Mar 2, 2015 6:55:14 GMT -6
Post by Alex Matthews on Mar 2, 2015 6:55:14 GMT -6
In regards to "Arrow" taking a lot from the Batman comics, I say: if no one else is going to use the material, then why not use it? I think for me, it's a personal feeling that the character deserves to be done right - if you're calling a show "Arrow" and basing it on the character of "Oliver Queen", then use the ACTUAL plethora of material that exists for that character. Don't create a show just to use the source material of ANOTHER character you can't use because other people have the rights and shoehorn that material into the life of a different character. I get 'artistic licence' and all that, I mean, incorporating Deadshot, Huntress, Felicity Smoak, etc, they are decisions that worked well for the show, and using the League as part of the origins of both the Dark Archer and the Black Canary, both the Sara and Laurel versions, was a nice way to steer those characters onto their inevitable paths. I just think that Ollie has a rich enough history that deserves mining properly - they already used China White, Cupid, Count Vertigo and so forth, which shows they've looked into Ollie's history. Using Batman mythos to me feels like a disservice to the character and fans like me who appreciate the comic book origins of the show. Saying that, I was VERY disappointed when they 'whitewashed' the character of Brick, turning him from an African-American into a cockney White Englishman. SIDE NOTE: One of the main nitpicks I had with Arrow at the start was it's habit of paying 'homage' with throwaway characters that have developed history - Constantine Drakon for one, killed quickly in the pilot. Another is the abrupt disappearance/possible death of Ted Grant - while I hope they didn't kill him off, I could understand it as part of Laurel's development, but we never really got a clear answer.
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