S3 Discussion Thread Jun 17, 2014 20:37:31 GMT -6
Post by Jack Malone on Jun 17, 2014 20:37:31 GMT -6
Aw, that's really nice to hear. I was kind of worried, after not having aired in so long, but to start back with this review you've left me is extremely appreciated, and put it all at ease. Thank you!
It'll become more apparent in future episodes, before the season comes to a wrap, why Talia was introduced in the way that she was, and why its crucial for her to be back inside her own body in the first place. As for now, I'm really happy with what you've said and that means a lot because I know how easy it is to have a "bad guy" become extremely one-sided and one-dimensional and so I wanted to try and introduce these elements of Talia that quickly absolved that label for her, especially when she has Ra's Al Ghul as her father, and is seemingly working towards a prophecy she believed was meant for him. This "binding" spell allows for more development with Talia, and really shows us some more sides of her character that we may not have otherwise known were there. She definitely, over the course of the season, will walk that line of one step forward, two steps back, and it'll become a struggle to see where she'll end up. There's just as real a chance that she could fight alongside our heroes in the war against Hush as there is that she will be against them, and the two key figures in her life that can sway that are Ra's Al Ghul, and Bruce Wayne.
It felt good to finally having Talia out of Chloe's body and into the form we've been waiting for - Stana Katic. Jack, I feel you've done a really good job fleshing out the character - she doesn't feel in any way, the token 'bad guy', she feels like a genuine character, with her own hopes, desires and dreams, and she can also be a right BITCH!
It was a really fun and different way to pull all the secrets out of everyone, and especially to have the big reveal to the group that Chloe was in fact alive. I had some reservations about pulling that off with Talia still in Chloe's body, but I think it heightened the tension because you have Bruce and Perry who are saying Chloe is still inside there and, especially in Perry's case, he is so desperate to see her and its so close to happening if they can just perform this spell. Then there's Helena who is basically like, "I have spent the last year grieving and moving on from the fact that my best friend has died, and this woman who has taken over her body threatens the world so let's end this now before things grow out of hand." I think it allowed for something more to come out of Chloe keeping her resurrection from the group that had its own climax to the story playing out in this particular episode.
Ooh, I love the fact that Chloe's exposure to the group was played in such a weird way - that she wakes up only to realise she surrounded by everyone she's been hiding from, a situation Talia has placed her in, and that Talia herself was the trigger for the revelation.
Zatanna is one of those characters this season that I am just loving to write and develop. Everyone is in such a dark place this season, and I wanted the same for Zatanna. She understands how easy it is for these people to get distracted, she's watched members of her own team be killed, and this just felt like the right direction to take her in. She's using her magic to really ensure this city's survival by manipulating those in the power of saving it. What I want to stress, though, in regards to her storyline is that she won't just be cherry picking memories out of people's mind so that we don't have a clusterf-ck of conflicts left right and center. There will be a breaking point and eventually she'll be held against her actions. Whenever that takes place, though, is a completely different question, and whether or not those memories will be unlocked is another thing. In regards to Bruce, I didn't go into the Chloe/Bruce hookup thinking Zatanna would erase it, but during the breakdown of this episode I realised it fit extremely well into Zatanna's agenda, and would help the audience realise that there's a method to her madness and so it kind of worked out really well for that sole purpose, you know?
I really loved the Zatanna/Bruce interaction, something I don't think we've had before, and it left me wondering if those two share any extra history, like they do in the comics. Zatanna is really travelling down a dangerous path with her magic, I look forward to seeing where that eventually leads.
Yeah, it was similarly the same for Perry that it was for Chloe in this episode, in regards to revealing their "secrets". This episode really had one main purpose and that was to bind them all in life and death, and then I needed more substance and I thought that considering the whole team are back in one place, under the roof of Watchtower, it would be nice to make it more memorable. So when it came around to doing the spell, I wanted it to knock Perry out of the circle and have it sink in to everyone that he wasn't going to make it. Surprisingly, though, the only person who doesn't know about his condition is Chloe, and that's what the next few episodes, for him, are all about. He's got to find the strength to tell Chloe about what is happening to him, and that final scene he had with Vicki really prompts for that to occur somewhere down the line.
When the spoilers for "Bound" appeared, and the knowledge of this circle that would unite the characters as one, I did wonder how Perry's illness would play into it - I do confess, I wondered if maybe, this would be a way to cure Perry's cancer, that it would kill them all if not treated, but that theory was blown out of the water, huh?
Those are definitely some of the questions I want you to be asking about Helena this season, and her descent is something that will have both moments where it's like she's rising out of it, and then other times where its almost as if she's in a complete free-fall. No matter what, though, she will have her own justifications for certain things, like in this particular episode I felt she was completely justified in trying to kill Talia, despite knowing Chloe was in there somewhere and could come back to them. As for Bruce, that was the one thing I could picture happening for Helena in response to Chloe's resurrection, and that's the fact that if she knew that there was a way to bring someone back, she would have done it to bring her father, Guido, back from death. I think that's what stings so much in that interaction between her and Bruce is that it didn't cross his mind, but in his defense, he knew the risks of seeing Ra's Al Ghul, and knows the torture he had to undergo in order to be deemed worthy enough to have Chloe brought back into this world. But that was definitely the first thing I knew I wanted to touch base on when Helena finds out Chloe is back.
Helena's descent is really starting to scare me, just how far will she go, especially know Lisa has seemingly been lost to her, but given how far Lisa herself was willing to go, maybe that will be a good thing, especially since she is due to meet Dick Grayson soon, right? Also, I don't even Bruce any further interactions with Helena, given how she reacted to him keeping resurrection a secret.
As for Lisa, she's just stumbled across a secret of her own, which will be looked at in an upcoming episode. Her story is far from over, and I'm actually really excited to see what you all think of the direction for her character.
This was the episode for Chloe that I know people were asking for in earlier reviews for the first three episodes. Her thoughts about all of it, and how she is dealing with the fact that Oliver is out of her life, her own child is out of her life, and her friends have had a year's worth of time to grow, and grieve, and move on, was something that had seemingly been brushed under the rug but we learn that she's obviously struggling with this second chance at life and the expectations from others to just jump right back into the swing of things. It was important to reinforce the fact that she was moved on last season, she had left Gotham, and she was ready to build a new life. Now she's back she doesn't really know what to cling to, and that's really tough for her. I think, what you said, is definitely something she'll have to realise and there's an episode coming up where she'll find a very temporary, but important, purpose to stay located in Gotham for at least a few more episodes this season.
Poor Chloe, despite everything, she was so ready to give up - there are shades of Buffy's resurrection there, how she had known peace and found living to be hell. Chloe is facing an existential dilemma - her friends and family have moved on, and she is realising that she has been brought back to a life she was trying to move on from. Hopefully, as the season runs it's course, with the growing threat of Hush, and possibly Kyle, not to mention Talia when she returns, Chloe will realise she is the light her friends need to brighten their own lives.
Anyway, thank you so much for the review! It was a nice little surprise. I know this forum has been a little quiet lately so I wasn't expecting anything, and it means a lot that you took the time to read/review. Thanks Alex!