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Post by Daniel on Jun 21, 2010 8:35:13 GMT -6
I think Jack is right, it really depends on the show in question as well as the actual content of the teaser. For example, if you are also including a "previously" part (that I normal bundle in with the teaser) then it can get up to ten pages.
But as Jack said, it's all about how you weight each each. The teaser shouldn't be longer than what follows but even different acts are weighted slightly different sometimes.
At the end of the day though, if the script is good enough and the story is interesting, the reader won't really care how many pages each act or in this case, a teaser has.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 18:05:09 GMT -6
Uh huh. Brilliant.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 13:31:51 GMT -6
Last post on the matter. But I don't really care what light I'm painting myself in, I know the type of person I am and if you can't accept that then your painting yourself in a very narrow light!
As I said, end of conversation, I've made myself perfectly clear.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 10:20:37 GMT -6
This sounds really cool. As someone mentioned above, I'm getting interesting Terminator vibes from this and as abit of a Terminator fan, this is very appealing!
Any idea when we can expect this guys?
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 10:10:21 GMT -6
I'm only being rude because of ignorance. But I applaud you Jack, cause your the first person to actually admit that perhaps I am, in some ways, right.
I admit, as I said, I can be brash and maybe, to some, slightly rude. I aplogise for that but don't think I'm not going to hold back if I don't agree with something. As you said, I'm entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. And quite frankly, if you can't take a bit of critisim from time to time then you really shouldn't be publishing your work. Just saying, if you someone who is easily offended or just can't take critism then you shouldn't bother asking for peoples opinions!
The people here, are nice people (perhaps abit too nice ;D ) and I respect that. So please, don't take what I say to heart, don't disregard it but don't take it the wrong - it's not intended to be that way, I wouldn't personally "attack" anyone.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 9:20:29 GMT -6
More people like me, writing proper reviews and such, make for better VS. Otherwise you just pick up everything yet air very little, which is quickly becoming a trend here from what I've observed over the last few months. There are like 17 shows and only two of them have aired an episode recently and from I can see just by scrolling through the main page, it seems that at least 10-12 have never aired anything! It may seem like negative energy but it doesn't nesscarily mean it's the wrong kind of energy! I may seem a little brash at times but all I'm being is brutually honest. If you want me to wear a pair of those rose tinted glasses then I will. I may even appear to be repeating myself but I'm just seeing the same old, empty replies.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 8:21:30 GMT -6
But I'd like to think that you would at least ask questions and seek answers before jumping to the conclusion that we have no idea what we're writing about. This isn't an assumation - you can't read! I quite clearly said that maybe I was mistaken, perhaps you did know everything about running a business in an extremely complex industry. And I did ask questions, I did ask you to explain but you didn't seem to understand my question. Not that I'm anymore convinced, you didn't really explain anything to me, you just stated that you knew everything and that you'd done research. Not sure how exactly, unless one of you is currently working for a network...maybe you are. If you are, sorry. I take everything back.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 20, 2010 6:03:31 GMT -6
Understood. But you should probably be encouraging raaders not discouraging.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 19, 2010 22:03:08 GMT -6
Okay Krysla, name those shows or movies! I bet they have researched the topic they have wrote about in considerable detail. I agree, a viewer should be able to susbend their disbelief but there is only so far that suspension can go!
The impossible - sci-fi, supernatural and fantasy etc...we are expected to suspend our disbelief so we can enjoy the universe that the fiction is created with in. As a viewer, those worlds are impossible fairytales and as normal humans, we know those places don't exist. But sitcom, creating a network...those are real things. How do you expect me to susbend my belief when I have the knowledge that those things are real, that their are rules are logical ways of going about things.
We aren't talking about spaceships, aliens or superheroes. We are talking actors, television shows and the TV industry. I know those things exist! I know how they work...granted I have a limited knowledge about how they work but I feel as though I know more than you. You claim two guys can just one day say..."Hey! Let's create our own TV network!" That doesn't happen! That is real life.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 19, 2010 21:52:52 GMT -6
I choose this show as it was the most developed show here on VPN. As the "flagship" show (as indicated by the side bar), you shouldn't invite people to read if your only aiming at a selected audience!
But your excuse, telling me that if I'm not a fan of Smallville, I won't understand this show is quite frankly not good enough. Regardless of whether it's a new, original show or a show set in an already established universe, I should be able to pick things up at the Pilot and know what the show is about. You shouldn't assume the reader knows what you know, cause that's just lazy!
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Post by Daniel on Jun 19, 2010 14:39:19 GMT -6
Do you know how a real television network works? I doubt it. That's my problem. If you don't know your subject well enough, you can't expect to write a good series with the whole idea as your premise.
It's like me writing a series about Star Wars. I don't know anything about it, never seen more than thirty minutes of one of the movies, so if I was to write a series about Star Wars it would be a disaster.
I might be wrong, maybe you work for the CW but without inside knowledge, your making it extremely difficult to write a series about the industry, about creating a network etc...two guys can't just decide one day, lets create our own TV network - it just doesn't happen like that!
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Post by Daniel on Jun 19, 2010 14:27:50 GMT -6
I do feel like the big, bad wolf here as I know for fact people aren't going to like what I have to say. It was, alright. The formatting was good, the plot was okay and the characters were...meh! With no previous knowledge, this is a little difficult to get into. Even when doing a spin-off, you should be making it accessible to new readers. Who are Clark and Lois, what is the DDS etc...as someone who knows nothing, I felt like I knew nothing even when I finished reading the whole episode!
Any exposition you allow us to see is through flashbacks, that's kind of lazy. I don't want this information slapped on my plate and spoon fed to me, I want to learn it. And even with the flashbacks, I learn very little. She's faking her own death, so what!? Why? How?
The dialogue is clunky, I rarely see how the characters are saying certain lines and there doesn't seem to be any other tone but cheese. We are then introduced to Helena and quite frankly, I vomit. Her first line sounds like something out of High School Musical! The whole line doesn't even need saying, you could use the photograph of her parents and combine them with newspaper clippings and together that line is said without the schmaltz. The description of her flaring nostrils and widening eyes was fantastic...then you go and kill it with that line. The single worst line in the whole script.
The following scene between Oliver and Chloe is quite nice, a mistakes that probably should of been cleared up by a beta but there forgivable.
Then this is an issue for me: "Its pretty much the exact same as the one back in Metropolis." to explain the Watchtower HQ. Problem is, you never explained it first time around. As a reader, how am I meant to compare something, if the comparison wasn't explained in the first place. I'm left with two characters standing in a blank room. This is something that happens at times in this script, you have to remember your writing for a reader and not for someone to watch. In a real script, yes, you probably wouldn't add that detail as you'd have a designer who would take care of all but here, we don't have that luxury
So Bruce is avenging his parents deaths as well. There is alot of revenge going on here!? Overkill, perhaps.
Wait. Who is Green Arrow? Then we find out Oliver is Green Arrow. Too late, it should of been explained earlier. Perhaps his face was revealed wasn't covered or something. You also don't explain exactly what Green Arrow is dressed in, as a Superhero, costume is important and I don't know what he looks like, I'm just imagine some green arrow. But as I said, the most important thing, should of been stating that Oliver was now dressed as his alias, Green Arrow.
The fight scene was quite good. But there were times when characters went unidentified. "Pulling back the arrow, he shoots." - He who, last person referenced was the gunman, you should of mentioned Green Arrow by name. While you can work it out for yourself, not using the characters name just makes it confusing.
The next section, when some character comes through the window, is all far too confusing. How does Rupert fall to the wall? I don't get the logic of that! Then who hits the ground hard? Pushing Chloe to which him? Then the he becomes a her!?
Wait, Huntress exits through the roof then appears on the ground and gets on a motorbike!? And Chloe manages to keep up? She runs out the warehouse and the Huntress is just waiting for her!? Doesn't make any sense...
Act Two. What happens to the injuries the characters would of sustained during the previous scene. Particularly Oliver who appeared to get a battering!
Chloe. Green acid. WTF?
What does Emil look like, you talk about super humans but is he? Or is he just an average looking guy? Is he bald, he strikes me as a bald guy!
You then switch from Oliver to Green Arrow. Specifics. I maybe a nitpick but this is getting annoying.
"Pray For Me!" Vomit.
The Chloe/Bruce was good. Nice balance showing right and wrong. Nice.
"Listen up, grumpy!" Uh...no. Grumpy? Doesn't seem like the natural remark! Bitch might be a better fit. "Hmm. Blonde...etc.." yeah not feeling the bad ass-ness here. Her character flips from cold hearted, ice queen to high school cheerleader captain in one line.
And as the argument continues, it gets worse. We get some nice exchanges about heroism etc...but then we get back to the snippy and bitching and it really ruins the tone.
Nice quips about Oliver and the use of "kid", quite amusing, the first genuine lol moment
Helena's flashback felt a bit unnecessary to me, while it had some nice imagery, it all felt very forced. This could of all been summed up in her opening scene where as I said, newspaper clippings would of told the whole story.
The helicopter conversation was really nice, one of the better scenes of the whole script.
It's alright from then but it does seem a little cheesy. The final scenes in the HQ's of both good and evil were quite good, classic comic book style but as I said, a little too cheesy. And the Black Masks death was a little predictable, you knew the moment he walked in that he was a dead man.
SPAG. It's not too bad but it does seem a little drafted, if you know what I mean. This doesn't feel like the final product. Also, I'm big on parenthecials - you have one or two in the whole script, so a lot of the time, I'm reading it a little blind.
Overall, it's not bad, it's just not great either. Chloe kind of grates me up the wrong way but Helana is a really interesting character. As a script, it looked nice, it flowed quite well and despite the lack of description, particular of people and places, it works. Your action was good but a little confusing at times, make sure you tell us who is doing what, when there are multiple he's, it gets a little hairy.
5/10 - Not bad but could do with alot of work. Characterization was clear but dialogue was a little clunky. Formatting was solid but a lack of description made it difficult to picture certain people, places and scenes. The flow was constant but it drags slightly.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 19, 2010 11:45:49 GMT -6
It's the premise doesn't really make sense. I can't see you pulling off something on such a large scale, which you frankly know little about. I admit, I don't either. But a VS show about a real life industry which is so complicated - I can't see it going well.
No offense, I just don't think your ready for such a project.
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Post by Daniel on Jun 18, 2010 15:53:49 GMT -6
I don't get it? Is it a sitcom about two guys running a real television network or a sitcom about two guys running a VS network.
If it's the second, it doesn't sound particularly interesting. If it's the first, then the plot doesn't sound realistic at all!? If your planning the first option, then you need to do some proper research because a network doesn't just pick a show at a time, they run a huge array of pilots and pick up a few to begin a network. They are also likely to air reruns of old shows or merge with an already running network.
The only way I can see you playing out this scenario is for the characters to set up a production company instead of a network. The logistics of setting up a television network is too complicated.
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