VPN-TV (New Sitcom)

[Amin]

Jun 20, 2010 8:21:30 GMT -6 Daniel said:

Jun 19, 2010 22:16:59 GMT -6 Jamison said:

But I'd like to think that you would at least ask questions and seek answers before jumping to the conclusion that we have no idea what we're writing about.

This isn't an assumation - you can't read!

I quite clearly said that maybe I was mistaken, perhaps you did know everything about running a business in an extremely complex industry. And I did ask questions, I did ask you to explain but you didn't seem to understand my question.

Not that I'm anymore convinced, you didn't really explain anything to me, you just stated that you knew everything and that you'd done research. Not sure how exactly, unless one of you is currently working for a network...maybe you are. If you are, sorry. I take everything back.

Why do you make such a big deal out of everything? Ever since you joined, all I've sensed from you is negative energy. You point out something, then spend 10 posts repeating and repeating it... just let it go already. Stop making such a big deal out of things.

[Daniel]

More people like me, writing proper reviews and such, make for better VS. Otherwise you just pick up everything yet air very little, which is quickly becoming a trend here from what I've observed over the last few months.

There are like 17 shows and only two of them have aired an episode recently and from I can see just by scrolling through the main page, it seems that at least 10-12 have never aired anything!

It may seem like negative energy but it doesn't nesscarily mean it's the wrong kind of energy! I may seem a little brash at times but all I'm being is brutually honest. If you want me to wear a pair of those rose tinted glasses then I will.

I may even appear to be repeating myself but I'm just seeing the same old, empty replies.

[Jack Malone]

More people like me, writing proper reviews and such, make for better VS. Otherwise you just pick up everything yet air very little, which is quickly becoming a trend here from what I've observed over the last few months.

I wouldn't say your reviews are 'proper' -- although structured well, you often cross the line of being constructive to being rude; which is something Chris may talk to you about if this negativity towards others continues. Just saying.

There are like 17 shows and only two of them have aired an episode recently and from I can see just by scrolling through the main page, it seems that at least 10-12 have never aired anything!

Most of our shows are starting post-July to tell you the truth. The VPN may not have the best structure when it comes to how many shows airing at once, but we respect people's schedules, and we know everyone with a show on the air is working hard to get it ready to air. Its not that big a deal.

It may seem like negative energy but it doesn't nesscarily mean it's the wrong kind of energy! I may seem a little brash at times but all I'm being is brutually honest. If you want me to wear a pair of those rose tinted glasses then I will.

Well your brutal honesty is just a matter of opinion. And you have the right to that opinion -- so no you don't have to put on a "pair of rose tinted glasses".

I may even appear to be repeating myself but I'm just seeing the same old, empty replies.

Well maybe you should find a new forum then. I've seen your position on the TEN network, which I think is a great place -- and you've written yourself as the "evil admin". I don't know how you act on your forum, but here we want everyone to feel welcomed and happy to share their opinions, ideas, pitches, and work. So although you may not see the negativity you're posting out, its definately there -- and maybe you should find a different way to post your feelings on the forum and its members' posts.

Because like I said before, you're starting to cross the line of constructive thoughts and feelings on a subject, to just being rude.

[Daniel]

I'm only being rude because of ignorance. But I applaud you Jack, cause your the first person to actually admit that perhaps I am, in some ways, right.

I admit, as I said, I can be brash and maybe, to some, slightly rude. I aplogise for that but don't think I'm not going to hold back if I don't agree with something. As you said, I'm entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. And quite frankly, if you can't take a bit of critisim from time to time then you really shouldn't be publishing your work. Just saying, if you someone who is easily offended or just can't take critism then you shouldn't bother asking for peoples opinions!

The people here, are nice people (perhaps abit too nice ;D ) and I respect that. So please, don't take what I say to heart, don't disregard it but don't take it the wrong - it's not intended to be that way, I wouldn't personally "attack" anyone.

[Jack Malone]

I'm only being rude because of ignorance. But I applaud you Jack, cause your the first person to actually admit that perhaps I am, in some ways, right.

Right about what?

I admit, as I said, I can be brash and maybe, to some, slightly rude. I aplogise for that but don't think I'm not going to hold back if I don't agree with something. As you said, I'm entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. And quite frankly, if you can't take a bit of critisim from time to time then you really shouldn't be publishing your work. Just saying, if you someone who is easily offended or just can't take critism then you shouldn't bother asking for peoples opinions!

I agree that people who aren't good at taking criticism shouldn't be out there showing it if they're not ready for people to not enjoy it -- not everyone can be pleased. But like I said, there's a line between being constructive in a review, to being rude. And you're not coming off as constructive -- even in the way your present your opinion on things, its rather negative.

And what is surprising is it came out of nowhere. You didn't introduce yourself to the forum in the thread, and talk about your background in VS, instead you came into this thread and told Chris and I you didn't think we could write this; jumping to conclusions on the story we had planned.

The people here, are nice people (perhaps abit too nice ;D ) and I respect that. So please, don't take what I say to heart, don't disregard it but don't take it the wrong - it's not intended to be that way, I wouldn't personally "attack" anyone.

Well honestly I don't see the respect of those you've talked to: Chris, Krysla, and PeanutLady. So just be careful of what you're posting and how you're coming off -- because you're not painting yourself in the greatest light.

If you have no other thoughts on the pitch, we can continue this conversation in Personal Messages, as its gone off topic from the actual pitch that you have appeared to made your mind up on posts ago. But I suggest you take it up with Chris, because I gotta call it a night and I'm not exactly looking forward to your next post.

[Tommy West]

Right, I'm not mod or anything, but Dan is entitled to his opinion, and his reviews are honest, which are the best kind. I've read the review myself and all his points are just. I've received several similar to Dan's one of "Watchtower" and it's only made me improve.

His comments on this pitch are also fair and truthful, and although you may not take them on board, it's an opinion that you should be grateful for.

And yes, we've gone off topic again but I just wanted to throw my two cents in. Back on topic.

[Daniel]

Last post on the matter. But I don't really care what light I'm painting myself in, I know the type of person I am and if you can't accept that then your painting yourself in a very narrow light!

As I said, end of conversation, I've made myself perfectly clear.

[Jack Malone]

Right, I'm not mod or anything, but Dan is entitled to his opinion, and his reviews are honest, which are the best kind. I've read the review myself and all his points are just. I've received several similar to Dan's one of "Watchtower" and it's only made me improve.

Thats exactly what I said. And this isn't about the Watchtower review. Chris and I have been talking since he made his first post, and were a little on edge about his tone. I love getting reviews, good or bad, and always appreciate the time someone has taken to read my work whether they liked it or not.

And yes, we've gone off topic again but I just wanted to throw my two cents in. Back on topic.

Thanks.

[Carey]

Conversation may be over and all that, but I just love a good argument.

Firstly: Realism

There is not a single show on TV that is perfectly real. The CSI, Buffy, Big Bang Theory. All different shows, all have unrealistic elements to them. Do you see Buffy doing homework or essays? Not very often. Not even in college. Cop shows take a unrealistic view of cops, having them wear really expensive clothes while having criminals confessing. Sit-coms are more unrealistic in their approach because thats how they need to be to be funny.

Secondly: Rudeness/Brashness

I can understand people being blunt with them. A did a review about 20 minutes ago where I was very blunt. But there's a line between blunt and rudeness and you seem to have overstepped that line. There is a guy on MZP who has been a little rude in the past, but you understand what he is saying, and he knows what he is talking about. Daniel, you just confuse us. Plus, pissing off the mods as well as arguing and practically insulting them? Not the greatest idea.

Thirdly: Everything else

From what I can remember, you said that very few shows have aired on this network. This is a young network, with many of its shows only being picked up recently. Plus writing is hard and time consuming. Pushing only frustrates people and can actually make people stop writing.

"More people like me, writing proper reviews and such, make for better VS."

This is only half true. It helps writers see what they have done right and wrong but if you can't write, you can't make better VS's.
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our review I read seemed well written I must admit. But it's your rudeness that gets to people. Be blunt but don't be rude.

I hope any of that made sense.

[Tommy West]

Jun 21, 2010 9:05:45 GMT -6 Carey said:

Conversation may be over and all that, but I just love a good argument.

You claim Dan's being rude, but that's quite hypocritical considering this "argument" is over and done with, and was resolved by PM's.

Now please, can we get back to the pitch at hand!

And I say good luck with this idea, over at MZP there's been a few pitches and shows with writers as the characters, but not many have gotten very far, so I'm looking forward to seeing were you go with this.

[David]

I like this idea. Jack, I think you should remake it. It would be cool

[Deleted]

Looks very nice! I love sitcoms!