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Post by Matthew James on Oct 31, 2009 15:10:39 GMT -6
Discuss the first season of "CONNOR" Here |
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Post by Hayden English on Nov 8, 2009 20:02:56 GMT -6
i am soooo looking forward to connor its like 16 days to go i think
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Post by Matthew James on Nov 8, 2009 22:49:27 GMT -6
Thank you yep I can't wait for everyone to read it.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 9, 2009 0:40:52 GMT -6
Well as u know.....I want to read it. And i cant wait for it to start
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Post by Jack Malone on Nov 27, 2009 4:14:19 GMT -6
SPOILER SPACE FOR DISCUSSION OF CONNOR
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Here's the verdict: Overall I enjoyed the story being told, and really got into the characters, but there were a few problems that left me questioning the pilot, and finding it hard to read. Lets start with the stuff I liked, shall we. Eliza Bennet was a fantastic character, who was well introduced, and established throughout the premiere. Her origin and the set up was well explained, and I think I'll be intrigued to see what will become of her. The Eve story, also intrigues me. I got the impression that the company was like Wolfram & Hart being "evil incorporate" with how suspenseful it was in their first meeting but as it would seem, their up against the forces of evil, which was a great thing! I loved how it sort of toyed with us. I think the best part of the episodes is when they're about to take on all these demons and then, EVE steps into the picture. Great surprise, that amped the premiere for me. However, the problems I faced in the premiere would have to be:
A) GWEN RAIDEN - Her storyline started in the first part, the TEASER, where it appeared she was there to find a way to get rid of her powers; and instead of having it be an ongoing episode story, it was reintroduced in the last ACT, where the Indian see's her future, and unfortunately dies for her to find out all this stuff. The story seemed squashed in, and was unimportant to the characters. I didn't think it needed to be in there, and although it was very "intriguing", it didn't belong in this episode. Especially seeing as it seemed her problem would be further adressed throughout the episode - seeing how she started the episode off.
B) WHO IS DANNY - I have no idea who this guy is. How did he meet Connor, and what is their connection to one another. Roomates? Friends? I got the impression maybe they met when Connor started College, maybe his name is mentioned in the series, but you didn't seem to address it in the premiere. I'd have liked a little dialogue that may explain how they met or something like that.
C) GRAMMAR, SPELLING ISSUES - I'm not usually the one to deduct the rating because of spelling/grammar mistakes, but there were a lot that kept stopping the story for me to go "What is trying to be said here??". I think with the amount of issues on this part, its only fair deduct.
However, that all said, it was a great ride. A great story was being told that I thoroughly enjoyed. I think this was one of the "better" series starters I've ever read. But I hope to see some of the problems being fixed as the season goes on.
Episode Rating: 7.5/10 [B+]
Season Average Rating (so far): B+
The first season looks very promising. Can't wait for the next episode!! XD
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Post by Matthew James on Nov 27, 2009 12:06:36 GMT -6
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All right Jack thanks for your honest review I always love to read them, now lets start with Gwen.Even though her story was added last minute I dissagre with how you said it didn't seem important, as the story progresses will discover these two moments are in fact very pivital for Gwen. Because of these moments Gwen is able to figure out how everything will play out before the others and still makes all the same choises. Plus I wanted to throw Gwen's Cairo adventure into the story right away to open it differently than Buffy and Angel had opened.
Next Danny. true Danny didn't really get much of an explanation as I would of liked to give him but over the next few episodes Danny character will really take shape and will see his connection to Connor played out in flashbacks...so stay tuned cause all your issues will for sure be answerd.
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Post by Jack Malone on Nov 27, 2009 17:18:11 GMT -6
- - - - - - - - All right Jack thanks for your honest review I always love to read them, now lets start with Gwen.Even though her story was added last minute I dissagre with how you said it didn't seem important, as the story progresses will discover these two moments are in fact very pivital for Gwen. Because of these moments Gwen is able to figure out how everything will play out before the others and still makes all the same choises. Plus I wanted to throw Gwen's Cairo adventure into the story right away to open it differently than Buffy and Angel had opened. Next Danny. true Danny didn't really get much of an explanation as I would of liked to give him but over the next few episodes Danny character will really take shape and will see his connection to Connor played out in flashbacks...so stay tuned cause all your issues will for sure be answerd. Actually what I said was "The story seemed squashed in, and was unimportant to the characters" which meant Gwen had nothing to do with Connor in the pilot, nor the story being told. If it was spread out over the episode where in the TEASER, she was with the Indian, then the complication in ACT ONE, then her making her way to New York City throughout the rest of the episode having FINALLY reached it by the end of ACT FOUR, then it wouldn't seem so squashed in. |
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Post by Matthew James on Dec 3, 2009 1:28:58 GMT -6
There was a slight mishap sorry for the late post Connor will be up tommorow night and will return to its Wednsday night's slot next week, sorry for the delay I'm not usually one for them but it was very last minute as was not here all day!
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Post by Jack Malone on Dec 3, 2009 2:34:16 GMT -6
There was a slight mishap sorry for the late post Connor will be up tommorow night and will return to its Wednsday night's slot next week, sorry for the delay I'm not usually one for them but it was very last minute as was not here all day! I for one should no how stressful and annoying delays can be. I've been through a few this year with my shows, so no blame here, lol. I can't wait to see this next episode. Hope a lot of questions will be explained. My delays are usually caused by last minute edits, or I've been so busy throughout the day/week that I can't get the episode up, so I hope everything's alright with you. Just don't stress out about them, lol. Good luck!! XD |
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Post by Matthew James on Dec 3, 2009 21:08:44 GMT -6
Ha thanks for the support Jack, the episode is now uploaded!
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Post by Jack Malone on Dec 7, 2009 3:55:45 GMT -6
SPOILER SPACE FOR DISCUSSION OF CONNOR - - - - - - - - - - - Hmm. A lot doesn't add up. But I will get to that at the end of this shorter review. So this episode welcomes Jack Reese into the jossverse universe, which I think was a great way of bringing him into the whosw. Having him already know one of the main characters, and being dragged into the storyline. I rather enjoy episodes that start off with a big shocker and then we backtrack a few hours earlier to figure out how we got there. So props for that, I love that concept. However, I don't have much to say about this episode, rather than the few problems that kept popping up. For starters, it is IMPOSSIBLE that Danny and Connor met when he was six. Connor was in Quor'toth. And its not like Connor's implanted memories affect others, so that doesn't work. That was a big let down that made me go "what?". I think you've written the characters in this particular episode to be more closer together; which doesn't add up as we've seen one episode, and Connor's only just met a couple of them. So that too was very distracting from the story and hard to believe. However, the story about the debt was a nice light, one shot second episode that introduced a rather compelling character that I think will add to the show. Unfortunately, I can't say I liked this episode better than the premiere, mainly on the Connor/Danny story, which definately doesn't add up, and the sudden connection the characters all share with one another. Episode Rating: 6.5/10
Average Season Rating: 7/10 I really want to suggest you put a hire out for an editor. There are heaps and heaps and heaps of grammar/spelling/punctuation mistakes that is beginning to distract me, and possibly others, from the story. |
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Post by Matthew James on Dec 7, 2009 12:46:42 GMT -6
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I dont really think its safe to assume that other people arent affected by the spell, I mean look at the people we all ready know The Reillys they believe they have spent there whole life with Connor everything they believe is really to them. Even the fang gang in the episode "Origins" after Wesley breaks the spell on himself and Illyria he talks to Illyria about how there are real memories and "fabricated ones" and that Wesley chooses the fake one over the real ones as he betrayed Angel in one and didnt in the other. In the episode "Home" we hear about Connor's girlfriend Tracy (who will meet) so thats another person who's memories had to be altered, did these memories actually happen no..but as Veal says in "Origins" They believe thats the way it happened, these memories are lies a spell casted on people to make them believe something heppened that didn't, but Danny will discover the truth.
As for them being close well think about Connor spends 8 hours a day with Ava and Eliza and as you've seen in the past two episodes Connor and Eliza dont really get along well yet so I'd imagine Connor spends alot of his time with Ava and then goes home and spends time with Melissa and Danny before he goes out taking care of business when you spend that much time with a small group of people you get close, not to mention it's mentioned in the first episode that Melissa/Danny/Ava are all ready friends and thats how Connor gets the job at B.W.D from Melissa being friends with Ava. and rambling over
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Post by Jack Malone on Dec 7, 2009 14:58:21 GMT -6
Yes, they've altered memories to fit Connor into a nice, loving family, and Angel's friends' minds had to be altered so they never remembered him. But I mean, the "Tracy" story was mentioned once, and since then, we've never heard of her. So her coming into the story, I don't think is a plus. Its been two-three years since. As for Danny, sure, we could say, Wolfram & Hart made Connor a friend, but I just don't believe it. Especially when they're the most evil organisation in the world. I still don't buy the Danny/Connor relationship. I still believe it would have been great if Connor was all alone, met Danny when he moved here, and we saw they're friendship develop over the course of several episodes. As for everyone knowing and being closer to each other - its episode two. I highly doubt it.
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Post by Jack Malone on Dec 7, 2009 15:01:40 GMT -6
As for them being close well think about Connor spends 8 hours a day with Ava and Eliza and as you've seen in the past two episodes Connor and Eliza dont really get along well yet so I'd imagine Connor spends alot of his time with Ava and then goes home and spends time with Melissa and Danny before he goes out taking care of business when you spend that much time with a small group of people you get close, not to mention it's mentioned in the first episode that Melissa/Danny/Ava are all ready friends and thats how Connor gets the job at B.W.D from Melissa being friends with Ava. and rambling over That said, we shouldn't have to just assume/imagine how well they know each other, and how they got to be so close. It should be shown, and should slowly develop to cause tention and suspense for the show and the characters. |
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Post by Jack Malone on Dec 8, 2009 3:29:53 GMT -6
Just to add: I would up the rating, because you do seem to have it all planned out, but the only thing is I didn't enjoy this episode as much as the first, so the rating wouldn't go up.
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Post by Jamison on Dec 11, 2009 21:13:27 GMT -6
SPOILER SPACE FOR CONNOR - PILOT - - - - - - - - I actually enjoyed the story you told in the pilot. You brought on some great future plots and your characters were very likable and interesting, so I'm interested in where you're going to take them as the series goes on. Okay, now focusing on the pilot, I think it was good, but it could have been a lot better. I love what you decided to do with Eliza, her introduction into the series was great and it was pretty much my fav character so far. The idea of her working for a company on the same side as Connor was refreshing considering WR&H. So nice job with coming up with that. The other things that went on this ep, like Gwen...I don't think she should have been there, unless you gave her a few more scenes, but still it would make me lose focus for what I'm trying to gain from the pilot. Maybe if you waiting til ep. 2 to introduce her character, it would give me more of a focus on Connor and introducing him to this new town. Episode Rating: 7.8/10 [B+]So, I can't wait to read the next ep. Should be taking a look at it pretty soon  |
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Post by Jack Malone on Dec 25, 2009 21:58:21 GMT -6
SPOILER SPACE FOR DISCUSSION OF "Freaks Like Us"
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This episode was far better than its predecessors. Bringing Gwen into the show was a nice move, and I think stripping her of her powers was a great idea. This way you have room to develop the character in a different way, and show us more of her than just her considering herself to be a freak. I haven't a clue why Buffy would be interested in Connor, which confused me somehow, nor the company's interest with Wolfram & Hart, and how they snuck a mole in. I think now is a perfect time to introduce the big bad, if there is one, to keep the story flowing at a healthy rate. But, great links to everything from Wolfram & Hart, to the mechanism that stripped Illyria of her powers. I am curious as to what you will do with Gwen; I hope you keep her on the show as long as possible. She is a character that reminds me of Faith - in a way. Not the whole story, but just the way she speaks, and acts on things. And dresses. Tight leather. So I hope we see more of her. You're dialogue is pretty darn tight, especially acting on Connor's somewhat goofiness, which arose in Season 5 of Angel with the NEW CONNOR. Looking forward to see the next installment, the mid finale, and hope to see some gripping cliffhangers planned.
Episode Rating: 8/10 [A-]
To save confusion, the first mark was taken off due to the grammar, which is limited to how things are put together, commars and the lack of full stops. Which appears to be getting better than the last scripts, so it didn't distract me as much. So that's a plus. Glad its getting better. And the second mark was lost because of the whole Buffy being dragged into something that didn't see fitting for her character. And the whole Watchers Council aspect; while, still intriguing, was just hard to see them looking up Connor, and his life and all that.
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Post by Jack Malone on Feb 2, 2010 1:04:21 GMT -6
The series Connor blends action/adventure with supernatural themes, maintaining its dark plots, and dramatic episodes. Maintaining average ratings throughout, the show took a while to get into, and unfortunately took too long. However, Matthew James has created a series of characters that are rather enjoyable to read up on, adding to the adventure, and the character development of Connor. With its final three episodes on its way the short-lived series will always be remembered, and although its a goodbye, we will never forget what Matthew James has done to extend on the jossverse character, and the conclusion to the son of the shanshu-seeking-vampire shall be an epic tale, never to be forgotten on the VPN.
Connor will be the first show to air its series finale respectively on the network, and hopefully, if all goes as planned, the Connor franchise can be extended into films, or mini-series chronicles.
Overal Mid-Season Rating: 7.5
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